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#1 Jin888

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Posted 18 March 2007 - 03:31 AM

Ok people, I know this is a relatively old kind of topic but I was having a discussion with my friends the other day about this and I thought I'd share my thoughts.

Ok, so I'm sure most of you have heard that a lot of Asian girls will date exclusively white guys. or black guys. or just anyone but Asian guys. I just wanted to take a second to look at this trend and show you just how stupid it is.

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(First of all, let me just say that I have nothing against inter-racial couples. I actually think it's good because we all know that mixed people (ie asian/white etc) are really hot. Also, what I'm going to say is not motivated by any sort of racial hatred or anything like that. Anything I say is based on my own observations and I stand to be corrected)

So let's look at the average white guy and compare him to the average Asian guy. Ok, the stereotypical image of a white guy is a tall, outgoing, and fun person. The Asian guys on the other hand gets pegged as the shy, bookwormy and boring type. Is this really the truth?

I admit, most white guys are tall, and on average on taller than Asians. But that is ALL that they have going for them. I really mean it. Are white guys fun? are they smart? nice? even good looking? Let's have a closer look. From what I've seen, the typical "fun" outing with a white guy consists of going to a bar, getting sh*t-faced, and laughing at retarded jokes. I mean this can be fun the first couple of times but don't you think it's a little one-dimensional? What about Asians in the fun department? A lot Asians go out and do crazy stuff as well. Personally, my friends and I have had our share of crazy nights. Once, we met up, pre-drank, went to a casino and won some money, then go clubbing still 3 am and go grab food at 5 in the morning. We play beach volley ball during summer, we have house parties, bbq, camping trips, trips to other cities etc. I mean Asians know how to have fun just like anybody else and often come up with a variety of new things to do too.

smarts? hahaha, do I really need to go into details about this? I mean I think most people already recognize that Asian guys tend to be pretty smart. That doesn't mean we're just book smart. We can be witty and charming and make you laugh, while the average white guy spends most of his time arguing over which beer is better. Or they try to impress the girl by trying to chug down a beer real quick. I mean, Ladies, is that really what you're attracted to? Let's face it. Asian are smarter, more fun to be with, and just make more "mind-stimulating" company.

Looks? yeah, like I said earlier, White guys only have a height advantage and that's it. about face? I think both have good and bad looking people. That is pretty normal. What about body physique? White guys can be divided into 3 groups: fatties, skinny anemic looking guys, or roid-freaks. Ok.. and the rare normal looking body build. What about Asian guys? Most Asian guys tend to of a slimmer build, and while they tend to not be as muscular as White guys, they usually have great definition. (ie. Asians guys usually look CUT!) Ok.. and there's the occassional fatty and skinny. What about dress and appearance? I think Asian guys tend to dress better and usually takes more care about they're appearance.

Finally, White guys tend to be jerks or assholes. No offense. <_< All my asian guy friends treat their gf really well. They try to spend time with them, and take them out etc. All in all, they try to gentlemen. White guys.. not really. I've heard so many stories about how the White guys constantly ditch their Asian gf's and treat them like sh*t. Not so much of those stories about Asian guys and they're gf's.

Anyways, this has been a long enough post already. I invite any and all feedback. Especially from any Asian girls who agree or disagree with me.

(What I said above is about the AVERAGE White guy and the AVERAGE North American Asian guy. I do recognize that not EVERY White guy and EVERY North American Asian guy fits my description. And I'd like to say again that this is not meant to be a racial attack, but rather, a mere observation on my part. I sincerely appologize to anyone who might have taken offense with this post.)

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Posted 18 March 2007 - 03:51 AM

I actually agree with you 100%. Asian guys are THE most undervalued dating candidate ever. Lets put a small list
Also, like the topic starter, this is also the AVERAGE person of each category, and I am not covering EVERY single men and women roaming this Earth, so don't barge into my house with a pitchforks and axes, as this seems to be a rather freqeunt occurence in this forum.

Asian guys: Don't usually care abour their partner's ethnicity, although their parents may influence them to take Asian or White partners.

Asian girls: Mostly white guys

White guys: White, Asian, or Black girls.

White girls: Black or White guys, but not Asian guys.

Black guys: Black, White, or Asian girls

Black girls: Black, or white guys. I never saw a black girl with an Asian guy before. ever.

Seriously, Asian guys are...so neglected.. thats just my opinion though.

#3 TasteTheSoundOfColors

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Posted 18 March 2007 - 05:01 AM

Gee, I'm relatively new to this forum and this is the first time I ever read stuff like this, I never knew this existed until I came to this forum. honestly I am shocked because most asians I know are with asians, and most white people are with white. So i wouldn't go out saying that all north american asians go for white and most white guys go for asian girls? Where the heck do you live lol? I am in Canada. From my personal observations maybe like around 10 % of asians are with whites. The way you said it makes it sound like 90% of asians are with whites. I even looked this up on google and most statistics say most people date within their own race. There isn't one statistic that says one race dates another race more. Really it seems like it's asian girls dont want YOU, not asian guys haha. clapclap and don't say this post was just an observation, your motivation of posting this in the first place is because you are insecure about yourself.

Edited by TasteTheSoundOfColors, 18 March 2007 - 05:12 AM.


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Posted 18 March 2007 - 05:29 AM

Yet there are also some chinese girls that only date chinese guys. I personally know quite a few. And chinese families usually want you to not date interracially. It depends where you look and what you want to see.

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Posted 18 March 2007 - 08:32 AM

uhmm reading have way through your post i just stop because it so stereotypical


"hahaha, do I really need to go into details about this? I mean I think most people already recognize that Asian guys tend to be pretty smart. That doesn't mean we're just book smart. We can be witty and charming and make you laugh, while the average white guy spends most of his time arguing over which beer is better. Or they try to impress the girl by trying to chug down a beer real quick."

first off i know many asians who can be dumb cough cough wanna be gangster cough. that and not all white people chug down beer to show off....you think people stereotype asian guys but you end up doing it to white guys o.O, i don't know where you are living but here asians are recognize for being nice and cute also their hair too lol o.O and natural tan >.< theres also some bad stereotype too but im not going to go there..

Gee, I'm relatively new to this forum and this is the first time I ever read stuff like this, I never knew this existed until I came to this forum. honestly I am shocked because most asians I know are with asians, and most white people are with white. So i wouldn't go out saying that all north american asians go for white and most white guys go for asian girls? Where the heck do you live lol? I am in Canada. From my personal observations maybe like around 10 % of asians are with whites. The way you said it makes it sound like 90% of asians are with whites. I even looked this up on google and most statistics say most people date within their own race. There isn't one statistic that says one race dates another race more. Really it seems like it's asian girls dont want YOU, not asian guys haha. clapclap and don't say this post was just an observation, your motivation of posting this in the first place is because you are insecure about yourself.


lol i agree with this guy the end *ill try and read all your post once more so you dont go off flameing me on something >.< :noclue

yup finish reading your post all of it stereotyping sigh.. your categorizing the whole country, you say all your friends treat their girlfriend nicely and also stating most white guys don't, to me im 90% sure you don't have white friends when you say that, if that true that might explain why your a bit bias toward white guys o.O

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Posted 18 March 2007 - 12:33 PM

Where i live(Germany), it is definately not the same case. Maybe it is just viets, but i only see viet guys with viet girls and viet guys with white girls. And i never saw a asian guy/girl with blacks here.

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Posted 18 March 2007 - 05:46 PM

I actually agree with you 100%. Asian guys are THE most undervalued dating candidate ever. Lets put a small list
Also, like the topic starter, this is also the AVERAGE person of each category, and I am not covering EVERY single men and women roaming this Earth, so don't barge into my house with a pitchforks and axes, as this seems to be a rather freqeunt occurence in this forum.

Asian guys: Don't usually care abour their partner's ethnicity, although their parents may influence them to take Asian or White partners.

Asian girls: Mostly white guys

White guys: White, Asian, or Black girls.

White girls: Black or White guys, but not Asian guys.

Black guys: Black, White, or Asian girls

Black girls: Black, or white guys. I never saw a black girl with an Asian guy before. ever.

Seriously, Asian guys are...so neglected.. thats just my opinion though.


You're completely leaving out the Hispanics. Or do they not count? <_<

I don't even want to begin to argue against your flawed logic right now.

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Posted 18 March 2007 - 06:26 PM

Asian women will date other ethnic groups because of an experience where the fellow Asian man treated her like $hit.

And my brother dated a black woman before, it's not uncommon....well, a black stripper. :lol:

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Posted 18 March 2007 - 06:37 PM

lols fckin asian gurl told me to reply to this: they said that asian guys dun make great sex partners they have small dicks while white ppl got bigg. -.-" i feel offended but im postin what they wanna say.

lols fckin asian gurl told me to reply to this: they said that asian guys dun make great sex partners they have small dicks while white ppl got bigg. -.-" i feel offended but im postin what they wanna say.


-.-
your friend is a virgin. 'nuff said.

Maybe it's beacus I have lived an urban lifestyle all my life that I don't see that many asian girls with white guys. However, that is probably the case in areas with a lot of assimilation going on.

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Posted 18 March 2007 - 06:50 PM

I agree with murtagh braedon, your post was stereotypical to the max. How would you know that your descriptions can largely define Asian and Caucasian men of North America just based on your own observations?

Saying that Caucasian men are jerks are no different with Caucasian guys saying that Asian guys have small dolphines. You're just bringing down a certain group of people just to bring up your own. Before anyone misunderstands, I am not those girls who date anyone except Asian males. I don't limit options so therefore, I date everyone of any kind. Asian, Caucasian, African, Latino - doesn't freaking matter to me. I just find this board very out of proportion.

Also, I can't tell the difference of going to a bar and laughing at retarded jokes with going to a casino and clubbing til' 3 am. I mean, what's so great about both of these? o.O

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Posted 18 March 2007 - 07:57 PM

um.yeahh, you totally stereotype the white guys. I was with a white guy once and he treated just as good as my current bf who's asian, he is a VERY smart guy, does know how to dress. or maybe my ex just isn't one of your "average" white guys.
and not all asians guys are smart, not all of them are shorter than average height(my bf's friend, who's chinese, is sooo tall), and so on.

But I gotta say that my non-asian girl friends aren't attracted to asian guys. They have admit that they have met some goodlooking asian guys(hehehe my boyfriend =P), but they just aren't attracted to them as in dating them.

there is asian guys out there who are more into asian girls than other race. my boyfriend is into viet girls, and would like to marry one.

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Posted 18 March 2007 - 08:53 PM

some of the reason why you see asian with white is probably because the white race is still the majority here in the US therefore there's more selection in mating in that race whereas there's very few asians in this country (at least in my state).... besides its not the race that matters it is how well you get along with your other mate and the courage to approach the girl first. Like many other people mentioned before I also see a lot of asians with asian rarely do I see asian with white or other race, but that it doesn't happen it does it is not as common because the difference of culture...

Honestly I've dated a white guy and OMG I couldn't stand him ONE BIT because of our different ideas and ways of handling matters. So yea make sure when you are observing do not be bias and only look like things you want and not the whole.

#13 Jin888

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Posted 19 March 2007 - 01:53 AM

Gee, I'm relatively new to this forum and this is the first time I ever read stuff like this, I never knew this existed until I came to this forum. honestly I am shocked because most asians I know are with asians, and most white people are with white. So i wouldn't go out saying that all north american asians go for white and most white guys go for asian girls? Where the heck do you live lol? I am in Canada. From my personal observations maybe like around 10 % of asians are with whites. The way you said it makes it sound like 90% of asians are with whites. I even looked this up on google and most statistics say most people date within their own race. There isn't one statistic that says one race dates another race more. Really it seems like it's asian girls dont want YOU, not asian guys haha. clapclap and don't say this post was just an observation, your motivation of posting this in the first place is because you are insecure about yourself.


Actually, I'm live in Canada and I've lived here for a long time. And this isn't a insecurity thing. I am already in a relationship with an Canto girl and have been for over 3 years now. You may not be aware of this trend that I'm talking about or you may have been lucky enough to meet only Asian girls who wanna date Asian guys. But this trend is definitely out there.

Jin

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Posted 19 March 2007 - 01:56 AM

here's a few thoughts, why do you care about something that has no direct effect on your life?

do you want to control who individuals date?

and shouldn't you care more about your own life than others?

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Posted 19 March 2007 - 02:03 AM

uhmm reading have way through your post i just stop because it so stereotypical
"hahaha, do I really need to go into details about this? I mean I think most people already recognize that Asian guys tend to be pretty smart. That doesn't mean we're just book smart. We can be witty and charming and make you laugh, while the average white guy spends most of his time arguing over which beer is better. Or they try to impress the girl by trying to chug down a beer real quick."

first off i know many asians who can be dumb cough cough wanna be gangster cough. that and not all white people chug down beer to show off....you think people stereotype asian guys but you end up doing it to white guys o.O, i don't know where you are living but here asians are recognize for being nice and cute also their hair too lol o.O and natural tan >.< theres also some bad stereotype too but im not going to go there..
lol i agree with this guy the end *ill try and read all your post once more so you dont go off flameing me on something >.< :noclue

yup finish reading your post all of it stereotyping sigh.. your categorizing the whole country, you say all your friends treat their girlfriend nicely and also stating most white guys don't, to me im 90% sure you don't have white friends when you say that, if that true that might explain why your a bit bias toward white guys o.O


Ok, I can understand how you think that my post is based on my own biases about white people but like I said this is what I personally have observed. I do recognise that there are chiggers out there who are dumb as a brick. I also recognise that there are some White guys who are very smart and intelligent. But I have to say that these White guys are few and far in between. I have gone to university and high school in Canada and I have to say there are only a hand full of White guys that I have met who I can say is smarter than me. The majority really do not care about their education and as a result are DUMB.

I respect your opinion and I'm not gonna flame you. I think everyone is entitled to their respective views. I'm simply putting my views out there and I encourage you to do the same. And of the Asian girls that I have met, the majority of them have a strict no Asian guys policy. I just don't see why this is happening. If you disagree with me, argue and convince me. Like I said before, I will always to be corrected.

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Posted 19 March 2007 - 02:07 AM

. And of the Asian girls that I have met, the majority of them have a strict no Asian guys policy. I just don't see why this is happening. If you disagree with me, argue and convince me. Like I said before, I will always to be corrected.

Jin


there more than a billion people in the world...do you really expect to understand why each one prefers oranges over an apple?

same goes for interracial dating.

Edited by santoki, 19 March 2007 - 02:07 AM.


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Posted 19 March 2007 - 02:17 AM

there more than a billion people in the world...do you really expect to understand why each one prefers oranges over an apple?

same goes for interracial dating.


Why not try to understand? Of course, I don't expect to completely understand this trend. But why not try to at least skim the surface of it? Better to know a little than not at all wouldn't you agree?

Jin

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Posted 19 March 2007 - 02:26 AM

I agree with murtagh braedon, your post was stereotypical to the max. How would you know that your descriptions can largely define Asian and Caucasian men of North America just based on your own observations?

Saying that Caucasian men are jerks are no different with Caucasian guys saying that Asian guys have small dolphines. You're just bringing down a certain group of people just to bring up your own. Before anyone misunderstands, I am not those girls who date anyone except Asian males. I don't limit options so therefore, I date everyone of any kind. Asian, Caucasian, African, Latino - doesn't freaking matter to me. I just find this board very out of proportion.

Also, I can't tell the difference of going to a bar and laughing at retarded jokes with going to a casino and clubbing til' 3 am. I mean, what's so great about both of these? o.O


I know that I have generalized in my initial post. But like I said before, I do recognize that there are many exceptions to my generalizations. Also, I have to generalize because I obviously cannot meet every Asian and every White guys out there. But these generalizations are based on what I have seen in the general population. I have met Asians and White from all backgrounds and overall, these are the trends that I see when I compare the two. I know that my observations maybe very well be inaccurate but this is the trend that I'm seeing.

Jin

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Posted 19 March 2007 - 02:43 AM

i am chinese and i like white guys too although i date asians. i guess whites are more attractive

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Posted 19 March 2007 - 03:11 AM

well ok say this does only happen to asians around you, well i can only tell you to ignore those chicks o.O if they have such a strict rule on no dating asian guys, i say they are shallow posibly sl*t with their half naked picture on the internet somewhere, or very conceited denying their own heritage

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Posted 19 March 2007 - 06:01 PM

I know that I have generalized in my initial post. But like I said before, I do recognize that there are many exceptions to my generalizations. Also, I have to generalize because I obviously cannot meet every Asian and every White guys out there. But these generalizations are based on what I have seen in the general population. I have met Asians and White from all backgrounds and overall, these are the trends that I see when I compare the two. I know that my observations maybe very well be inaccurate but this is the trend that I'm seeing.

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Since you can never meet every Asian or White guy in the world doesn't that mean you shouldn't generalize? It's really not necessary. <_<

See, this is what I can't stand. People take their own experiences and apply it to everything else like it's the truth. That is what you're doing right now. So what if you've met Asians and Whites from all backgrounds? That doesn't mean anything. Your observations aren't inaccurate- they're completely wrong. That may be the trend you're seeing, but again, so what?

Your observations as one, sole individual in a world filled with billions (do you know how big that is?) is amazingly wrong. You're like a speck of dust. So am I, and so is the next person that comes along. That is why no one should take it upon themselves to make sweeping remarks like you're making, because they will always, always be brutally INCORRECT.

You should just call it a day. Sorry, but your arguments are futile.

Edited by DreamingOfVann, 19 March 2007 - 06:03 PM.


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Posted 19 March 2007 - 11:02 PM

I actually agree with you 100%. Asian guys are THE most undervalued dating candidate ever. Lets put a small list
Also, like the topic starter, this is also the AVERAGE person of each category, and I am not covering EVERY single men and women roaming this Earth, so don't barge into my house with a pitchforks and axes, as this seems to be a rather freqeunt occurence in this forum.

Asian guys: Don't usually care abour their partner's ethnicity, although their parents may influence them to take Asian or White partners.

Asian girls: Mostly white guys

White guys: White, Asian, or Black girls.

White girls: Black or White guys, but not Asian guys.

Black guys: Black, White, or Asian girls

Black girls: Black, or white guys. I never saw a black girl with an Asian guy before. ever.

Seriously, Asian guys are...so neglected.. thats just my opinion though.


Asian guys don't usually care about their partner's ethnicity, although their parents may influence them to take Asian or White partners? All the Asian guys I know like their own Asian girls or Asian girls of another ethnic group, e.g. Chinese guys liking Japanese girls, Chinese girls...etc where as their parents prefer them to marry Asian girls of the same ethnic group as theirs, e.g. Chinese marrying Chinese.

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Posted 20 March 2007 - 03:57 AM

Asian guys don't usually care about their partner's ethnicity, although their parents may influence them to take Asian or White partners? All the Asian guys I know like their own Asian girls or Asian girls of another ethnic group, e.g. Chinese guys liking Japanese girls, Chinese girls...etc where as their parents prefer them to marry Asian girls of the same ethnic group as theirs, e.g. Chinese marrying Chinese.


Exactly.

So there's no reason to whine about Asian guys being discriminated against in the dating game, because they discriminate themselves.

Edited by DreamingOfVann, 20 March 2007 - 03:59 AM.


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Posted 20 March 2007 - 07:53 AM

If you want "funner guys", there are plenty back in Asia. The ones who couldn't make it out to Western Countries. I'm serious. There are heaps of guys/girls out there who smoke pot, clubs every day, screws every guy/girl off the street.

Go back to Asia lol.

As for all the girl and guy nerds who made it to Western Countries. leave it alone :pleh

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Posted 20 March 2007 - 06:38 PM

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Posted 21 March 2007 - 03:36 AM

i agree with you 100%! even though there are a lot of asian girls that like white guys, there are still girls out there like me who are attracted to asian guys.

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Posted 21 March 2007 - 01:34 PM

I get what your saying and I do blame it on the media although it is getting better such as asian guys in better roles :D e.g Lost, Heroes( heck that waiter girl starts liking Hiro :P and OC remember when Taylor had a korean bf?

Anyway it also depends on your personality as well since I'm a asian guy and I do get white girls who flirt so yeah man personality matters alot.

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Posted 21 March 2007 - 03:10 PM

I won't pitch in my opinion about this subject just yet, but DreamingOfVann's general conclusions are plain wrong.

Since you can never meet every Asian or White guy in the world doesn't that mean you shouldn't generalize? It's really not necessary. <_<


In fact, the reverse should be true. We generalize because we haven't met and couldn't possibly meet EVERY Asian or White person on the planet. If we are to think like you, then statistics would be a fundamentally wrong subject to teach in universities. In statistics and quantitative research, we try to find a TREND using a sample of a given population (therefore "generalizing" a conclusion based on a relatively small group). What the topic starter did was express his OBSERVATIONS of a TREND in the sample of the population he met.

See, this is what I can't stand. People take their own experiences and apply it to everything else like it's the truth. That is what you're doing right now. So what if you've met Asians and Whites from all backgrounds? That doesn't mean anything. Your observations aren't inaccurate- they're completely wrong. That may be the trend you're seeing, but again, so what?


So what? So does that mean that my efforts put into calculating and evaluating a trend during my statistics class was fundamentally wrong? I should've went to my statistics teacher and scream at him for teaching me wrong things! I shouldn't have used statistics to predict future rates of change of a market graph! I shouldn't have used statistics to evaluate whether a particular sector of the market is booming or busting! Likewise in a psychological setting, we shouldn't be using statistics to measure effectiveness of a particular treatment towards mentally ill patients!

Your observations as one, sole individual in a world filled with billions (do you know how big that is?) is amazingly wrong. You're like a speck of dust. So am I, and so is the next person that comes along. That is why no one should take it upon themselves to make sweeping remarks like you're making, because they will always, always be brutally INCORRECT.


And it is because we are a speck of dust in the world, and it is physically impossible to evaluate trends by doing a study on litterally EVERYONE living and breathing on the planet, that we base our conclusions on SAMPLES of a population. We draw TREND lines, we note GENERAL observations. In the end, we may not be 100% correct, but we are sure to never be 100% wrong.

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Posted 21 March 2007 - 03:37 PM

The problem with statistics is you have to have a good representation of the population.

And beside, statistics always have to be taken for what they are in fine : a probability. Which is not reality.

Reminds me my statistic teacher : the best way to stop terrorist of bombing a planes is just to take a bomb with you ("broken" so it can't explode).
Because if the "chances" are 1/1.000.000 there is a bomb on a plane, there are maybe only 1/1.000.000.000.000.000.000 chances there are 2 bombs... ;)

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Posted 21 March 2007 - 10:27 PM

The problem with statistics is you have to have a good representation of the population.

And beside, statistics always have to be taken for what they are in fine : a probability. Which is not reality.

Reminds me my statistic teacher : the best way to stop terrorist of bombing a planes is just to take a bomb with you ("broken" so it can't explode).
Because if the "chances" are 1/1.000.000 there is a bomb on a plane, there are maybe only 1/1.000.000.000.000.000.000 chances there are 2 bombs... ;)


So what is, to you, a good representation of the population? We meet (or at least, observe) people from all walks of life everyday. In this scenario, the sampling method is as random as it can get. We don't choose who we meet or see. They are there, and we make an opinion based on what is presented before us.

I never said that probabilities are realities. I did say that trends can describe a general observation, but never to a 100% accuracy. The topic starter was talking about trends observed on an average demographic. Therefore, he was generalizing based on the quantitative sample of the population he randomly observed.

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Posted 22 March 2007 - 12:38 AM

I won't pitch in my opinion about this subject just yet, but DreamingOfVann's general conclusions are plain wrong.
In fact, the reverse should be true. We generalize because we haven't met and couldn't possibly meet EVERY Asian or White person on the planet. If we are to think like you, then statistics would be a fundamentally wrong subject to teach in universities. In statistics and quantitative research, we try to find a TREND using a sample of a given population (therefore "generalizing" a conclusion based on a relatively small group). What the topic starter did was express his OBSERVATIONS of a TREND in the sample of the population he met.
So what? So does that mean that my efforts put into calculating and evaluating a trend during my statistics class was fundamentally wrong? I should've went to my statistics teacher and scream at him for teaching me wrong things! I shouldn't have used statistics to predict future rates of change of a market graph! I shouldn't have used statistics to evaluate whether a particular sector of the market is booming or busting! Likewise in a psychological setting, we shouldn't be using statistics to measure effectiveness of a particular treatment towards mentally ill patients!
And it is because we are a speck of dust in the world, and it is physically impossible to evaluate trends by doing a study on litterally EVERYONE living and breathing on the planet, that we base our conclusions on SAMPLES of a population. We draw TREND lines, we note GENERAL observations. In the end, we may not be 100% correct, but we are sure to never be 100% wrong.

My 2 dollars, and a few loose change...

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clapclap A well-formulated case.

It's funny that you're bringing up statistics, because I'm studying it right now. Statistics is perfect when one is referring to numbers or how many people have this retirement plan rather than the other. You have to make estimations and everything can be clearly expressed in nice, crisp percents and fractions.

But you can't really apply that to humans. People are complex. The brain is even more complicated. So are feelings and other things of that sort. We don't even understand ourselves. And scientists and mathematicians keep trying to come up with different ways to fix that, but to no avail.

You cannot use statistics on people. Especially when it comes to them and their feelings or emotions.

If you want to study trends- go ahead. Don't yell at your professor. But you still can't generalize people and what they feel. It's impossible and Math can't even begin to go there. Using statistics and studying trends in the peoples' personalities that you see around you is pointless. Humans aren't guinea pigs. What hypothesis could you possibly form from the "gathered information?" Nothing correct, or GOOD for that matter could come out of making assumptions and using statistics. You may think there's nothing wrong with mixing "math and humans," but that's where that stupid saying and idea of "Asian men have small wankers" stems from. <_< Just because people thought they could "compare" and make guesses based on a small group. What you're deeming as ok will ALWAYS spawn negative stereo-types.

So is "statistics" bad? No. There's nothing wrong with the logic or trying to make an educated guess since we as humans can't possibly know it all.

But is applying that same logic to races, nationalities, and people in general good? No. Nor would it be correct. It's impossible to make a so-called "educated guess" when it comes to that.

So it's best to just leave it alone. Who are you to judge? (That was a general statement)

Edited by DreamingOfVann, 22 March 2007 - 12:42 AM.


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Posted 22 March 2007 - 04:19 PM

So what is, to you, a good representation of the population? We meet (or at least, observe) people from all walks of life everyday. In this scenario, the sampling method is as random as it can get. We don't choose who we meet or see. They are there, and we make an opinion based on what is presented before us.

I never said that probabilities are realities. I did say that trends can describe a general observation, but never to a 100% accuracy. The topic starter was talking about trends observed on an average demographic. Therefore, he was generalizing based on the quantitative sample of the population he randomly observed.

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I don't know what a good representation is, that is why I don't do statistics ;)
That is a full job to know how to make the best population representation.
I didn't follow the whole topic (lazy me) but it reminds me one chinese guy who told me all western guys are attracted to asian girls. Only because he beijing in the street he saw lot of western guys with asian gf. But what he forgot is that most of western who go to china are a minority who have interrest in asian culture first.

Anyway to respond to the topic, there are 1000 times more asian girls who wants asian guys only then asian girls who likes western guys, no worries to have I guess.

As usual..just my 2 mao

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Posted 22 March 2007 - 04:47 PM

To DreamingOfVann:

Statistics is not just used to measure quantifiable subjects. In sociology, researchers often use comparative methods to gauge and evaluate their results. To compare data, it needs to be quantified. To evaluate the quantified data, they use statistical analysis. Therefore, statistics do apply in studies of human behavior. The prime example is the measure of market segmentation:

In marketing, focus groups are used to determine potential trends and preferences in a sample of the population. The participants discuss their opinions on an open table, fill survey sheets, and their behaviors are recorded. The data collected is analysed in both quantifiable and qualifiable methods, which is then used to determine a target demographic for different lines of products or services.

In this light, statistics IS applied to the study of people, to make "educated guesses" of how society is evolving, be it social interaction, trend shifts, political views, or even racial relations (an actual branch of sociology). Whether you disagree with it or not, the fact is that such methods exists, are in use, and have probabilities of truth.

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Edited by Dr. Ken, 22 March 2007 - 04:52 PM.


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Posted 24 March 2007 - 05:29 AM

To DreamingOfVann:

Statistics is not just used to measure quantifiable subjects. In sociology, researchers often use comparative methods to gauge and evaluate their results. To compare data, it needs to be quantified. To evaluate the quantified data, they use statistical analysis. Therefore, statistics do apply in studies of human behavior. The prime example is the measure of market segmentation:

In marketing, focus groups are used to determine potential trends and preferences in a sample of the population. The participants discuss their opinions on an open table, fill survey sheets, and their behaviors are recorded. The data collected is analysed in both quantifiable and qualifiable methods, which is then used to determine a target demographic for different lines of products or services.

In this light, statistics IS applied to the study of people, to make "educated guesses" of how society is evolving, be it social interaction, trend shifts, political views, or even racial relations (an actual branch of sociology). Whether you disagree with it or not, the fact is that such methods exists, are in use, and have probabilities of truth.

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I don't think you read what I wrote properly. Whether these statistical methods are used or not they are not valid.

Researchers and Scientists are nothing but people. I'm sure they don't hold the key to unlocking the mystery that is the human psyche- try as they might.

All of your responses were finely worded though. clapclap

It's really pointless of us to debate.

Edited by DreamingOfVann, 24 March 2007 - 05:31 AM.


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Posted 25 March 2007 - 04:07 PM

I don't think you read what I wrote properly. Whether these statistical methods are used or not they are not valid.

Researchers and Scientists are nothing but people. I'm sure they don't hold the key to unlocking the mystery that is the human psyche- try as they might.

All of your responses were finely worded though. clapclap

It's really pointless of us to debate.


I don't think you read what I wrote properly either. Statistical analysis are not used to predict outcomes with surefire accuracy, but they are certainly valid. Human interactions usually follow a general trend, and researchers only want a general measure of this trend, not pinpoint a particularity because, as you said, it is impossible to unlock its finer details. This fact is acknowledged, and sampling errors do occur.

Please understand what I wrote before making assumptions, and reconsider the validity of statistics used on sociological studies. Validity does not equal accuracy, but it does map out "educated guesses" on general trends.

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Posted 26 March 2007 - 05:15 AM

I don't think you read what I wrote properly either. Statistical analysis are not used to predict outcomes with surefire accuracy, but they are certainly valid. Human interactions usually follow a general trend, and researchers only want a general measure of this trend, not pinpoint a particularity because, as you said, it is impossible to unlock its finer details. This fact is acknowledged, and sampling errors do occur.

Please understand what I wrote before making assumptions, and reconsider the validity of statistics used on sociological studies. Validity does not equal accuracy, but it does map out "educated guesses" on general trends.

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Right back at ya, Doc.

It's obvious that statistical analysis can't predict surefire accuracy, and I never said it could. That was one assumption on your part.

Many errors can occur. The logic is deeply flawed, because the humans who thought it up are defective themselves. That's why (for the most part) negative things are the outcome.

Like I said before: this debate is pointless. My words won't have any effect on your thinking, and yours will be forgotten quickly.

On a similar yet different note:

What I've been saying this whole time is: there would be a lot less racism, prejudice, stereo-typing, hate- etc. if people just got to know one another and at least tried not to judge. Because who are they to?

And people should really stop taking their life experiences and applying it to everything else like it's the holy word. Because it's not. <_<

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Posted 26 March 2007 - 07:08 PM

Right back at ya, Doc.

It's obvious that statistical analysis can't predict surefire accuracy, and I never said it could. That was one assumption on your part.

Many errors can occur. The logic is deeply flawed, because the humans who thought it up are defective themselves. That's why (for the most part) negative things are the outcome.

Like I said before: this debate is pointless. My words won't have any effect on your thinking, and yours will be forgotten quickly.

On a similar yet different note:

What I've been saying this whole time is: there would be a lot less racism, prejudice, stereo-typing, hate- etc. if people just got to know one another and at least tried not to judge. Because who are they to?

And people should really stop taking their life experiences and applying it to everything else like it's the holy word. Because it's not. <_<


One last thing about the previous debate: you said that because errors occur, it results in mostly negative outcomes. I just wanted to know how you concluded that most statistical analysis yield wrong results. Our world isn't black or white. It isn't because the results aren't accurate that they are necessarly wrong. Sampling errors form an integral and important part of statistics. This is the point I was trying to convey.

Stopping the debate, I'll have to disagree with your different note. Here is an example:

Consider a utopian world where everyone was color-blind, preference-blind, opinion-blind. We all look at each other the same way. We all have the same opinion. We look, talk, think, dress, and walk the same way. There is no social stimuli. I think you'd agree with me that this world would be pretty boring. Peaceful, for sure. But boring.

Life experience is an important factor to consider in what makes the very fabric of social interaction. One is entitled to his/her opinion and its depth of enforcement in his/her community. This person may consider it his/her Holy Word, but you don't have to agree with it. You may even come about to dislike/hate it. It entangles people of different walks of life to add input to the discussion. Some will fuel the fire, some will water it down.

People always say that they promote "diversity". But do they really know what diversity is? Is diversity a "politically correct" way of promoting co-mingling of people of different ethnic backgrounds? Does diversity mean "tolerance" of social outcasts?

I say no. Diversity is far more than just superficial acceptance of the other kind. Diversity means the promotion of DIFFERENCE. Difference of ethnicity, religion, sexual orientation, yadda-yadda... and yes, difference of OPINION. You do not have to agree with me, and I do not have to agree with you. There is no right or wrong, but the one who garners the most support from other members of the community will likely yield a stronger influence on the group with lesser support.

The averse effect of diversity is, of course, social discord. Disagreements are bound to happen, conflicts arise, people point fingers at the other. The result is hate, racism, criticism, war, and many other things people do to fight for their "righteousness".

But would you rather live in a world full of imperfections, where people from all walks of life collide, where cultural clashes create a vibrant and dynamic society? Or would you want to live in a society with no evolution, no disagreement, bland and devoid of uniqueness, but is peaceful and serene?

I think I'd take diversity alongs with its faults over stable yet boring anytime.

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Posted 27 March 2007 - 01:19 AM

People live the way they want
stop your complaining and get yourself a white girl
just be more well rounded learn to adapt to different people
dont be so close minded be open to different things
that is what help white people get the asian girl

its also the other way around
asian guy gets white girl
just be confident a real woman likes a real man
not a boy who sits complains, writing a essay and %$#*

alot of asian guys have no guts
thats why they roll in packs
i used to be one of them
now I can go to a bar talk to a white girl and leave with a #
just open your minds and mouth
i get japanese girls, white girls, asians, whatever...older younger whatever

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Posted 27 March 2007 - 03:20 AM

i dont think they dont want asian guys it just that there are more asians girls with white men than the other way around.. :(

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Posted 28 March 2007 - 02:59 AM

eh all i know is if your a decent *non shallow* girl you like someone for the personality statistic cant calculate human emotion it just too complicated there is no right and wrong left and right everyone is different yet the same.




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